Better question, which 2w company has wider charging station as as Ather in India 
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Here you missed the best part. Tesla majorly charges per kWh whenever possible, but if you charged based on minutes it is based on charging speed not a flat fixed fee.
Yoh see where Ather is wrong now?
Still, non of Tesla models don’t require subscription to charge at Tesla SC. There is a subscription plan for non Tesla’s charging at Tesla SC.
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@pdhananjaypatil @tpn7 @arnab Kindly take a break. If you 3 have an argument that is what the chat section is for your ‘Tesla billing system’. This topic is going round and round with no further inputs. Maybe Topic needs a break.
What other companies are billing is non of Ather’s issues. Right now Ather has its biggest advantage of having 1400 grids which no single company has in India. but, if you guys have gone deep into the topic what you are arguing has gone over and over again. So Let the initial phase go through, pretty sure in the near future the Time-based billing might be changed to kWh.
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For a moment, if we assume that Ather grid charges as per advertised speed, 0-80 should take 65 minutes approximately. So, to charge 2.9 kWh, the cost is 65 rupees. That’s 22 rupees per kW. That’s mostly in-line with what other vendors charge. While it may not look like attractive pricing (after being free), they are not taking advantage of their Monopoly.
Now, if the grid is not charging as per the advertised speed, that’s something Ather should be justifying, especially if it’s because of faulty charger.
I too feel the same. There will be some solution before this goes pan India.
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Firstly the 65 minute charge time is completely incorrect l even though falsely advertised. Even if we strech reality and assume it to be true the cost comes to around Rs. 80 (why forget the GST?)
Assuming the cost of kwh businesses get is Rs12. Which is easily higher side than the actual the cost here is rs 36. In other words they are keeping a 100%+ mark up.
On the other hand tesla is charging between 20-35% over household electric charges in US.
If this isn’t taking advantage of Monopoly in your book, i don’t anything can convince you.
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The point isn’t just billing based on units, it’s also not exploiting people by charging insane rates with 2-3x mark up.
what Tesla is billing is apt and should be a issue to Ather bcoz they were in similar situation (much larger scale) where in they had Monopoly over the grids by having a large number yet their markup is 1.2-1.3x. There by not exploiting wealthy customers who spent thousands of dollars to buy their car unlike Ather who seem to be going in a different direction.
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Its fair to compare only ev charging vendors in India. I compared excluding GST purposely for equal comparison of data. Most vendors i saw in team bhp forums charges between 20-27 rupees + GST.
This is not attractive pricing, but similar to what others charge. They will be forced to reduced when competitors gives at better rate, just like how Ather reduced Connect plan charges and Scooter price itself.
If there are vendors giving at better prices, will be happy to add to my comparison.
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Prices with GST is what we pay, it’s only fair it’s discussed that way
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The cost of other grids vary from Rs 2 to Rs 20 /kwh near my hometown atleast so no they don’t cost as much as Ather.
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Most of these grids (which are scarce rn) charge fairly according to units consumed, unlike Ather who charge based on minutes (so actual bill in Ather will almost always be around Rs100).
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Comparing a service offered by OEM vs other private players is not fair, especially ancillary service like this. An OEM makes money from sale of equipment, maintenance, other subscriptions. Grid should therefore be charged fair much like tesla. Even then the private players whose revenue solely are reliant on charging infrastructure have better prices.
Ultimately having a huge grid should facilitate and attract the people towards Ather, but leave it to them to shoot themselves in the foot by exploiting people. Anything around or less than 50 bucks is what I consider fair price. Doubt they’ll listen though, given they have so many sycophants present defending their every move regardless of how much sense it makes.
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@abhishek.balaji Can you please confirm the calculation formula/ method of calculation? Refer attached snap for your ready reference.
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Hey,
We’ve updated our systems to bill charging only for the time your scooter was fast charging, to eliminate any cases of slow charging or delay in the start of fast charging. We’ll continue to improve the fast charging experience for the community, based on feedback.
We want to provide a consistent charging experience on the grid, and ensure that we make the users pay only for fast charging. We have identified some issues where the charging is slower than expected. In those cases, we will not bill the users for those minutes where it is not fast charging starting immediately.
We will be fixing all the issues related to invoice and speed of charging in the coming weeks.
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That’s good news. This interim solution is better than what many would have guessed.
This will also enforce Ather to improve and fix the charging infrastructure, which is a win-win for Ather and customers.
So, when the charging happens at ideal speed, 0-80 should be 65 + GST, and not more.
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This should be verified, when they claim 15km in 10 mins
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The percentage of households getting subsidised unit rate in the states is nearly negligible compared to a very large percentage in India(even the percentage of subside/unit is much higher here). Household subsidies do not directly carryover on commercial and also depends on the tier based on load and power draw.
Hence, a charging station that charges you ₹2/Kwh is either fully internalized renewable or highly subsidised household energy from the main grid which is directly or indirectly funded by the taxpayer and re-sold as commercial charging.
What is the guaranteed units of charging each minute or 5 minutes? The amount of charge is variable , reduces after a point but cost is still the same? This is atrocious
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Not relevant, as in my comparison in the same post showed that Ather grid is charging over 2 times the commercial rate in India🙂 while comparing the household electric charges in US vs Tesla grid.
Anyways keep defending any exploitative practices however sense it makes.
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Oh I’m not defending on the contrary the only thing good about the pricing is that a lot of chargers that were always crowded by delivery agents and the “I just need to go 10kms yet I’ll charge as close to full SoC as I can cause I’ve got too much time to slaughter in my hands”unkils. Other than that I would suggest they have an X SoC/min with two tier cost one for the fast charging and separate rate for trickle.
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You are happy with them charging more than 2 times the commercial rate! Great!
Why care about fair prices or how this affects other people right? As long as you can afford it and make it convenient for you, you’re good.
Shame on Tesla for only taking a 20-30% margin. Should learn how to “fairly” price from Ather.
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I no where said that I was happy about being overcharged. I explicitly said the only good that has come out of this coincidentally or not is
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