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You are the best judge of what suits you best. If this doesnāt suit you, donāt buyā¦as simple as that.
Seats and mirror design were same and the plastic quality didnāt look different. But one important thing is that the 3 scooters displayed were not series vehicles and hence we should not judge anything by that. Cannot confirm this, but I heard that mirrors may change for the 450x.
In addition, if you are attending the meet up over the weekend, then you can ask them about other major issues like phantom drain, tyre pressure getting lower every few days, etcā¦
Iām not sure If I will be able to attend it but If I do , I will. But even if I donāt attend, Iām sure many people have a lot of questions.
Also, waiting for your test ride details about both Chetak and iQube.
Sure. Iāll test ride one of them at least over the weekend.
Whether you want to keep the Vespa, only you can answer this. If you can get the 450, go for it. For 450x, wait till you have complete clarity. Chetakā¦canāt comment right now as I donāt know how it is.
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Ather first needs to understand people are on the look out for good electric scooters that can munch miles not gadgets. And someone from the @Ather.Team really needs to explain how they arrived at the price of 149K for the 450X plus which has sim upgrade from 3G to 4G and newer processor to support the android open source stuff. You all need to understand that we can get a phone mount for 2K, These are not the features people waited for. . This is not something people look forward to in a scooter. People sure do love to talk about all the cool features the scooter has but thats it. The people who are gonna buy the scooter looks for other things like the distance, charging time maintenance battery etc, Not GPS or turn by turn navigation or music. This is not a long distance tourer guys, its a commuter bike. Also dont try to be a tesla, All the features are really cool i agree, But people will only keep talking about it and no1 will buy it simply coz its overpriced and beats the whole purpose of why people want to switch to EV.
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Exactly people want only long distance and fast charging thatās it. If you remove all smart stuff and give 150 to 200 range and good reduction in charging time thatās more than enough.
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Thank you, Mr Hemanth. Looking forward to your experience with Bajaj.
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Youāll have to double the battery pack for that! Or make it go like an Okinawa. Youāll not have an Ather then.
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Too bad. Should have gone for OnePlus. Have been using it from last 3 years without a hitch. They have a forum as well and generally rectify thier issues through an OTA update once per month. My friend uses an iPhone 11 just because itās an iPhone, uses it more as a status symbol than a cell phone. It costs twice as much as mine but still has an LCD screen.
Bottom line is majority members here are not asking for an iPhone at a price of an OPPO , people who took 450 test ride are satisfied with a OnePlus and donāt want to upgrade to a Samsung disguised as an iPhone.
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I havenāt noticed any decrease in range either, in fact, Iāve been getting pretty good efficiency lately. Now, with a battery better than the current one, if treated well, will be pretty reliable, or have decent health atleast for the next 3 years. So isnāt it kind of absurd that Ather came up with subscription plans for the X with infinite battery warranty? I know people have concerns about battery cost and replacement. But thatās also because most have never used an electric vehicle before, even myself.
So hereās what I think: Iām mostly sticking with my 450. The upgrade doesnāt seem big enough to change. Because although I do about 600+ Kms a month, Iām not going to use / will barely use the full potential of the X. I would mostly be a plus user. Bluetooth isnāt a big deal. Yes, better battery chemistry is a plus point and all the other smaller advantages like side stand indicator, android, etc. Itās a great product honestly! The move to android is genius and will enable a lot of amazing updates. The main thing that led to the subscriptions is peopleās concern about battery dying early. Now, Iām a really careful user. I clean the vehicle regularly, I keep the belt clean and I get good efficiency. I keep the vehicle in the shade always so battery isnāt affected. I also make sure I charge only till about 85% usually and it almost never drops below 30-40% so Iād rather prefer the 3 year warranty because I know that the battery will last for about 5years atleast with 70-80% capacity. And then I can change the battery in about 7 years where the capacity goes to 50% when I can afford to spend about 50-70k for a new battery which will end up cheaper than paying more than a lakh or two in those 7 years š¤·š»āā
But Iām still gonna wait for the upgrade plan before I cancel, because I prefer buying it whole. And Iām not sure how much my 9month old 7k Kms Ather will fetch me. I really really wish they fix the DOT with a magnetic lock thoughš¤¦š»āā I really like how the POD was designed.
Also, theyāre giving us an option to upgrade the existing 3G module to 4G on our scooters. That, and dark mode will be great and then I probably wonāt be missing much.
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Thatās unrealistic. Donāt you think someone would have already come up with such a scooter if it was possible? If you remove gagets cost might come down but certainly wonāt increase the range. Atherās scooters have well built power-range ratio, letās give them credit where itās due.
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After reading this thread and looking at the sentiment, a lot of people have unrealistic expectations. This is literally the highest performance scooter on the market with the most advanced smart features available in any scooter, what did you guys think it would cost? Everyoneās asking for features that are missing, that will only add on to the cost and increase complexity of logistics and manufacturing. I agree that to the end customer, the scooter should have been about 20 to 25k more than the 450 for all the improvements, if the end customer upfront cost was 1.35L for the Pro varient, the scooter would be a great buy. Iām not sure if thereās a way to get the scooter down to that price via subsidies / etc, but that would be ideal. If anyone expected a price lower than 1.25L for such a scooter, your expectations need to be adjusted. The 450 itself was sold at an unsustainable price for Ather, and that was 1.13L, this has significant improvement, and justifies a higher price. Ather is out to build a sustainable company, they canāt do that if they sell scooters at a loss. It costs large amounts of money to do R&D, manufacturing, components and after sales service/support for such a vehicle.
I think Ather should have waited at least till April before announcing the 450X. I think waiting till July will kill a lot of the momentum for the vehicle. Hopefully Ather explains per state subsidies and discloses best possible prices after all incentives for the 450X in each state. I am still unsure of how the 1.59L price is after the subsidy, definitely needs clarification.
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I am not sure how that works. For the display UI Android may have benefits, but for proper real-time monitoring of all the sensors on the scooter I donāt believe that Android is the best choice
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Exactly!! Cause itās not only taking you from point A to B in the city but itās doing it in the most fun and peaceful way possible. I mean itās next to impossible for anyone in the country to go beyond what Ather provides right now (scooter wise atleast)!!!
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Heās ex Ather and used to lead the forum before Abishek took over a few months ago. I suggest trying to derive some value from his perspective because he probably has insights into how the company built and positioned the 450X.
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The company has opened a war on 2 fronts. It is one battle to get the new factory up to scale and speed and another to fine tune and deliver a new model. The coming year will determine if the management can deliver on both. In my brief interactions with them they seem be capable, but good intentions and capabilities are just not enough in an adverse economy all stakeholders and Government need to support
This is where the support of your customers and dealers will be critical.
How you manage expectations, communicate hiccups and delays will separate the men from the boys
I wish them well, I want to see them successful
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What will be overnight battery drain in 450X ,AS it will be LTE network now
You are definitely rightā¦ I was expecting a price around 1.3L to 1.4L(after subsidy) ā¦But I thought there would greater rangeā¦ I was mostly disappointed with the range, This downside can slightly be made up with the faster charging rate.
450 was sold at 1.13L, but that was after subsidy the actual cost was 1.33Lā¦ So I donāt think 450 was that much underpriced at all.
About the range, Iāve noticed that Ather significantly undersells their range.
On my 450, using sports mode with a full charge, the predicted range is 55km right? No matter how rash I drive in city roads, Iāve never gotten less than 80km in sports mode. In the 450X, in the mode one less than warp (because they didnāt mention TrueRange for warp), I wouldnāt be surprised to easily cross 100km, and I wouldnāt be surprised if I crossed 120km in their eco plus mode.
Honestly at a range of over 100km for a charge, I feel thatās plenty for the vast majority of people.
I used to have range anxiety before receiving the scooter, looking at the just 55km in sports mode figure, but to my surprise, I have ridden 40km multiple times with 50% battery still remaining when I reach home. That was what impressed me and severely reduced my range anxiety.
Although I should mention Iām pretty lightweight.
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They would have fixed the bms issue so shutdown at any battery percentage should be ok
You mean 1.47 lakhs 
They have one small kitchen to prepare dish like 450. They are planning big mega kitchen which is coming up in Hosur. So they want to cook 450x in small kitchen for July delivery. Delivery timeline they are not able to tune. They are busy in tuning user data which they got now from 450 user.
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