Can the same feature be pushed on the ather 450?
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No, itâs a hardware sensor, so not possible through an OTA.
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Just a curious question - I have been wondering about the efficiency figures: Ather has the lowest efficiency of 24wh/km whereas Nexon has the lowest efficiency of 120wh/km. If I look at the kerb weight ratio of nexon to ather itâs 14:1 whereas efficiency is 5:1, does that mean ather is not much efficient as compared to nexon or am I missing something very basic?
Or does the difference arise because of the voltages of their respective drivetrains and that would again imply that nexon has an efficient way of sending off the juice to motors due to high voltages?
Pardon me if I am not familiar with the mechanics of the drivertrain / battery / motor - just couldnât stop thinking about this. 
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Boils down to basic form factor difference.
Hard for a two wheeler to have the same Wh/km/kg as a car as a scooter is too short. Aero wise itâs taking the full frontal impact but not enough weight behind it trailing it. Also the aerodynamic design in 2Ws in general (racing bikes are an exception) cannot match that of a car because of the simple fact that a 2W is an open architecture and a car is not.
Also, you the lowest possible Wh/km of an Ather (by customers) has been around 20 Wh/km and you must compare weights with a passenger inside (170 kg vs 1450 kg) making the ratio somewhat better @8.5X (instead of 14X)
In terms of powertrain efficiency - thereâs usually no real difference.
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This makes so much sense. Just a minor follow up - if / when Ather comes up with a bike, it would be relatively more efficient than 450x because of lower drag / better aerodynamics? Implying we can expect a higher range even if the battery structure is kept identical?
Thanks for clarifying - itâs an Elon moment for međ.
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Another curious question - I was looking how apple watchâs e-sim works and seems like there is nothing fancy, itâs just an operator provided confirmation (âjioconnecteverywhereâ) that a single number (along with the data) can be used on iPhone and apple watch.
I was wondering why canât this be incorporated in 450X since there will be e-sims anyway?
This will solve:
- The need for wi-fi everyone has been asking for
- Requirement of the connect plan - because people will pay for their data / plans anyway
- Might have an option to display calls even if the phone is not around and it can be received on bluetooth helmet - wishful thinking?
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Mobile data plan is not equivalent to Wi-Fi. It can never be.
Let me put it this way. Ather doesnât just provide you the data plan for your app sync and maps. It provides you the ride stats, battery percentage, charging notifications etc. which needs to enter via their data pipeline. Just having mobile data will not fetch you all this data. They probably use some cloud services like GCloud, AWS, Azure. So that adds cost.
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Ather uses The Google Cloud platform extensively!. A couple of GB of data per user is generated everyday and this needs to be stored so that owners can see their ride stats. The cost entailed for data connectivity, cloud storage, access to Google API and software development are included on the Ather Connect cost.
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GBs? 
and here I thought that it would just be a couple hundred MBs everyday - maps to be cached, data spent on just querying the maps API and stats sync would be in a much efficient way via some sort of log files (in KBs).
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Agreed and agreed. It would be great at some point in future for Ather to give a break-up of these âcostsâ per user. I believe they have enough data now for this analysis.
I was coming from the point the way Tesla charges for its software - one time FSD costs $5000 (optional). All other data costs included. So, what if all these ride stats etc. are upfront, user takes care of the data costs (using the e-sim ) and you have a connected scooter for the life of the scooter.
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I may have missed this. But does anyone know the range of 450x in warp mode? Was it ever revealed?
The website show âwho cares!â. I guess thatâll be a fit answer. Real test drivers could give a real insight, tho.
Does anyone know why there is a difference in battery warranty for 450x on subscription and up-front (80% vs 70% of performance)? I know I know batteries have been tested for 20Mn kms + 15Mn on-road kms and are built to last etc. etc. but just wanted to know the reason for this difference - is it just because those on subscription end up paying relatively higher or something else?
Since calendar ageing is around 20% over 3 years and 2% for every 10k kms as per FAQ - this means that someone on a subscription is more likely to benefit from the battery replacement. Shouldnât these be at par with someone who pays up-front?
Also, the landing page mentions that those on subscription will get a battery health report every month. Does this hold true for those who buy the scooter upfront as well?
Have the exit options for those on subscription been decided? Couldnât find it anywhere.
For someone who bought the scooter upfront and gets their battery replaced after the 3 year warranty - will the cost of battery be adjusted by Ather since they will re-purpose the existing battery? Can someone point me to the FAQ (if there is any) mentioning this?
Is state specific EV policy also applicable for payment made (99k) if bought on subscription?
Cc: @abhishek.balaji
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Here is a rough estimate.
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That is Strange. When I picked it up for test ride there wasnât a Sports mode
By using battery percentage indicator, full charge range in warp mode is around 55km. I guess ather was going for increasing performance without reducing range. (Reminds me of plaid model s and x of tesla).
If 450x has sports Mode it will probably have a range of 60-65km I guess.
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Consistent performance is what the subscription plan offers, so those under the battery subscription plans keep paying to ensure the performance and power donât degrade. Battery degradation will also vary based on how you ride, so under the battery subscription plan, you can use the full performance levels without any worry.
These will be announced closer to the delivery datesâŚ
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Can you comment on the number of cycles the battery is able to do before we see a drop in the range?
Dear Abhishek,
I would like to know the following :
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Can I change the color to Black?
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On Road Price - Hyderabad
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What Type of Charger will I be getting ( Cable like a laptop Charger or the Grid Charger which is shown in the picture or Both)?
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Will we get a change to keep a Ather 450x for a day to try (Demo Pieces)?
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Can you please provide more options of payment (one time payment for life long full option subscription)?
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This should be possible. Call customer care and theyâll be able to assist you.
Not yet known and will be announced just before you make full payment.
Only the Ather Dot (Grey colour) home charger is included. Portable charger has to be purchased additionally. The portable charger is not exactly like a laptop charger itâs a little bigger. The very first gen Athers had portable chargers like laptop chargers. The white coloured fast charger in the public charging grids are different again.
That option is not available I guess.
Thatâs an interesting ask. But how long is âlife longâ? Do you want to pay for 15 years as per the RC. Will you keep the vehicle for 15 years? if not why would you pay for the time you wonât use? Even if you plan to keep it for 15 years, honestly speaking it may work out expensive considering how costs are dynamically changing - both during purchase and in the long run. It may give you mental peace but i donât know if you want to pay so much (as much an another scooter) for that.
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