I got smoked by an NTorq 💨

[kushalpout (Pikachu .)]

Have you guys noticed ? The motor becomes very hot while we are cruising at high speeds (around 70-90kmph) . I think the top speed is limited by the motor used . It’s a hardware limitation more than a software limitation so I don’t think any more speeds are possible infact I’m worried about cruising at its current top speed as it could affect the motor health. (I’m no expert, all this are my personal experience)

[Anirudh (Anirudh0000)]

Off the line, I have always been faster on Ather even against Ntorq. The other day R15 v3 was following me, he couldn’t match the instant acceleration in the city. After 70 other vehicles do start catching up but that is expected. EVs overall suck at top speed. Main limitation being the energy available in the battery. Even Tesla cars have a very limited top speed and their acceleration drops off at higher speeds compared to their competitors. 450x is a beast in the city, very few things can keep up not to mention the attention it gets.

[prateeksuri]

I agree to what you said in regards to the acceleration. But in the recent updates there is definitely some issue. I had ridden the 450X in Bengaluru and it was a different experience which made me buy it. The experience right now, is completely opposite. And yes it does get smoked by an NTorq. Fails to catch up with it. But anyways, hopes are still merely alive now to get the optimum performance from it now.

[redbobcat91]

I think everything will be fine in the end. Still, the field of electric transport is still at the initial stage of development and there will still be improvements ahead. But even today, electric mopeds are good and worthy of attention.

[maniashwin3003 (Mani Ashwin)]

@raghav.srinivasan

It wasn’t intended to be a high speed inter city vehicle

Engineered ground-up with a singular focus on performance, the Ather 450X is a sheer joy to ride. Out accelerate everyone with a twist on the throttle, cruise at top speeds and criss-cross across the city on a single charge

Well, I think the website says different.

[hemanth.anand (Hemanth H A)]

@maniashwin3003

Engineered ground-up with a singular focus on performance, the Ather 450X is a sheer joy to ride.

It’s indeed engineered from ground up and is a sheer joy to ride.

@maniashwin3003

Out accelerate everyone with a twist on the throttle

We can for sure out “accelerate” everyone with a twist on the throttle.

@maniashwin3003

cruise at top speeds and criss-cross across the city on a single charge

We definitely can cruise at top speeds (80kmph) and criss-cross “across the city”

What’s different?? Nowhere is it mentioned or marketed or advertised that it can hit or cross 100kmph or that it’s a highway rider. If that was the expectation this is just not the vehicle for such expectations.

Of course it would’ve been wonderful if it could hit triple digit speeds. I’d have loved it on my NICE road rides in Bengaluru. That aside, one must know what are their strengths and limitations or that of their vehicle’s. Even after knowing it, if one tries to compete, they’ll just become a laughing stock.

[maniashwin3003 (Mani Ashwin)]

@hemanth.anand

That aside, one must know what is their strengths and limitations or that of their vehicle’s

Sir, I’m juat trying to point out that Ather says you can cruise at top speeds I consider top speed 90 (because that’s the max the display can show) . I’m happy with that at the moment. I’m not asking them to increase the speed to triple digits (I wouldn’t say no if they do it) . I’m just saying we’re not getting even that 90 nowadays. Warp mode struggles to reach there. It takes so long that I pity the vehicle and just stop trying.

[rayelipratheek24 (null null)]

I don’t know why others can’t understand this, your point is so simple, you u are not getting what was promised or given earlier due to their bugs in the OTA update…as simple as that!

[raghav.srinivasan]

The premise of this thread is that Prateek was outrun by a Ntorq doing 90+ kmph. However, Ather has an advertised top speed of only 80kmph.

450x and even the 450 are quickest of the starting line, but definitely not the fastest!.

[maniashwin3003 (Mani Ashwin)]

@raghav.srinivasan

450x and even the 450 are quickest of the starting line

I assume you mean that they have the highest initial torque by this statement. Which is no longer true as of the latest update. The torque is very sluggish.

@prateeksuri

and Warp is really of no good since the last update.

Sir. This additional data is also in the post and hence must be considered.

@raghav.srinivasan

The premise of this thread is that Prateek was outrun by a Ntorq

Please do consider that he has spoken about the warp mode as well. There are many reasons as to why he was outrun. Yes plain speed is one, but the fact is, the best chance of beating the Ntorq, the warp mode was useless in this encounter. This is what I’m trying to say.

Anyway, I value your input and will not comment on this matter further.

[raghav.srinivasan]

I wanted to put in perspective the original post from Prateek since the discussion seems to have gone on a tangent. There are 2 parts to this

1 - Reduced torque in the WARP mode As far as warp mode pick up is concerned, Abhishek has already clarified that they will pick up some vehicles post lockdown to validate the torque output.

2 - Prateek being outrun by a NTorq

Prateek beat the NTorq at the signal and switched to a cruise mode. So, the question of who was fastest off the line is answered.

@prateeksuri

Light goes green and to show off or prove what this beauty can do I gave a full throttle pick up. Obviously my pickup in Sports mode he couldn’t match and Warp is really of no good since the last update. So, I again went to cruise mode as it was an empty 8 lane flyover

So the NTorq catches upto him at 70kmph. The motor isn’t going to throw out that same kind of torque you get at 0kmph or at 20kmph, because the 450x has a top speed of only 80kmph!.

@prateeksuri

Good 3 km stretch and no other vehicle infront of us due to lockdown. 450x could not match his pickup. Tried ducking for aerodynamics etc… Sadly due to locked speeds I couldnt catch him. He slowed down inbetween probably because he pittied me trying to catch him. And the very second i came next to him he would pickup again and go ahead. Sadly I had to give up because our Athers are locked at 90kmph.

I am not trying to rain on the parade here, but just wanted to point out that this wasn’t about an NTorq beating the 450x at a 100m/200m drag but its more about an NTorq being able to catch up, overtake and drive faster than the 450x because its got a higher top speed!

[prateeksuri]

@raghav.srinivasan

So the NTorq catches upto him at 70kmph. The motor isn’t going to throw out that same kind of torque you get at 0kmph or at 20kmph, because the 450x has a top speed of only 80kmph!.

Just a small correction here, I never mentioned my cruise speed was 70kmph. My actual speed was approximately 35-40kmph. So one does expect the Warp or the Sports mode to do its bit. Sadly, it didn’t and Ntorq guy was still able to beat the Ather in pick up.

Hope that clears some misunderstanding here.

But here is the thing, this is not the first time I have had a drag with other petrol scooties. Since this 10.0.1 update, it is clear that the torque levels have been going up and down. Lets for example take the very recent one part of the Early Access. The performance of all modes have gone from sluggish to extremely sluggish.

@prateeksuri

They should fix and lock the performance issues once and move on to other issues

That again comes down inconsistent performance with every update. We are talking about inconsistencies here and not touching triple digits.

@prateeksuri

Not to forget the ‘request’ to increase the locked speed to atleast 100.

Having triple digits is a request as I mentioned and not something that I expected the Athers to have from factory at present.

And, thank you for that detailed analysis of my original post. Respect your views there.

[raghav.srinivasan]

@prateeksuri

Just a small correction here, I never mentioned my cruise speed was 70kmph.

My bad then. Since you had mentioned the NTorq caught up side by side and he was doing 70, I assumed you are also at the same speed.

@prateeksuri

Out of nowhere he came next to me at probably around 70kmph. It was that moment when he gave me that Rainbow visor helmet look and kept it next to me. It was obvious he wanted to do a drag.

[prateeksuri]

Jeeezzz!! Typo error buddy. My bad again. I was doing approx 40 kmph. Will make the correction.

[aseemagrawal5432 (Aseematheragrawal)]

But how about eloctroquting a brand new bullet??had a long race vs. a brand new bullet on the road , was a tough one tbh , adrenaline levels were on the but zooomed right past him at the end ,showed him who’s the real musle or

[prateeksuri]

Would definitely like to try that post performance issues resolution. Getting a feeling now that it’s only mine that has issues

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